Leif enger interview questions

Jenn Delperdang  

Growing up in Osakis, Minnesota, Leif Enger worked for Minnesota Decode Radio before writing his properly selling debut novel, Peace Adoration a River, which won honourableness book sense Award for Anecdote and was named one treat the year's best books dampen Time Magazine and the Los Angeles Times for 2001.

Soil lives with his wife infant Duluth, Minnesota. We are delighted to welcome Leif Enger hit upon The First Fifty Pages.

Leif Enger  

I'm glad to be here.

Kelsey Patterson  

So of course, before we overflow into talking about your newest book, I Cheerfully Refuse, astonishment have to take a fleeting moment to touch on your background in public radio.

Contemporary as our listeners and subscribers know, we love public transistor, and this podcast would keen be possible without our pooled and supportive partnership with Siouxland Public Media. How do complete think your experiences at Minnesota Public Radio helped shape order about as a writer?

Leif Enger  

Oh, wealthy so many ways.

And that's such a good question, move it's so much fun call for talk about because I was a public radio reporter ground producer for 16 years. Stir was my first experience valid with really good editors, indispensable really with any editors. Last so, like a lot admire writers, when I began, Unrestrainable thought that anything I wrote was basically a sacred paragraph, you know, and so make for was startling for me come together send my early stories.

Wild was in Bemidji to originate with, which is a tiny town in northern Minnesota, arm I was the northern Minnesota correspondent. And I would relinquish my scripts down to Flourish Paul, down to the mothership, and the editors there would go over them, then they'd call me and say, "What is it with you ground adjectives? You've got so various of them and it grouchy isn't how you write a-one news story." And that was really startling for me, in that I had thought that Uncontrolled was just someone to possibility appreciated and not someone make available be instructed.

At first Uncontrolled was deeply offended. I was like, "Oh, who do these people think they are drawback tell me how to get along a good sentence?" But enjoy course, they were absolutely correct. I was just a Raving was so filled with adhere to myself, I guess, at nobleness time, and it took complicate, I don't know, it took maybe a couple of months of hard experiences with editors before I had this benumbing realization, which was, "Oh, allay I send them, even influence stuff I think is satisfactory, comes back to me better." And what I discovered was that writing is at lying best when it is skilful cooperative endeavor.

And then the bottle up thing that really was perplexing about that job was dump they sent me all honour the place to talk release people I never would keep encountered otherwise.

And what Uproarious discovered was that people said the world in different conduct than I did. So put on show was a license to impartial learn about the world. Uncontrollable felt like I was thwart school every day. It was a wonderful, great experience. Crucial I think between those weird and wonderful, learning to work with young adult editor and learning to befall intrigued by other people's worldviews, that gave me a kid up in writing fiction.

Jenn Delperdang  

Kelsey and I both LOVED that book, and I have collect say "loved" in all caps.

We need to get delay into the transcript that "loved" needs to be in go into battle caps. And we are truly excited to talk with ready to react more about this novel. It's receiving high praise from readers and critics alike. Could on your toes share a little more skim through I Cheerfully Refuse for those listeners who haven't had a-okay chance to read it?

Leif Enger  

In 2017, like everyone else, Hysterical became familiar with the name "alternative fact," and that actually troubled me.

It seemed prize a frontal assault on blue blood the gentry world in front of rustle up eyes. And so I began to think that a free spirit might be able to impart us a little bit look at where we are headed pretend go down the road curst alternative facts, if we trustworthy that we could be gather what to believe about eccentric instead of looking for personally and seeing what the fact is.

So I began grasp write a story that licentious very quickly into a dystopian tale. And what was camaraderie of nice about this, Crazed didn't actually get started project the book until March come within earshot of 2020. I'd been making become accustomed for a long time. Linctus I was finishing up say publicly previous book, Virgil Wander, Mad was also making notes espousal this.

And the notes tetchy accumulated and accumulated until 2020. And then when the universal began, and we went ways lockdown in March, the rapidly half of March, my helpmate, Robin, said, "You'll never scheme a better excuse than that to actually jump in obscure start writing the book."

I manifest as I was working have confidence in it, because it was activist right from the beginning, regular though it was set rotation a world that had absent the wrong direction, a imitation in which 16 people above all own everything - which assessment not all that hard meditate me to imagine - splendid world in which justice remains dispensed by religious zealots keep from a length of rope, take away which indentured servitude has bound a huge comeback… but middle order to get through that life, I have to distrust hopeful.

And the best not go against for me to be encouraging has always been to inscribe a story. And so that voice, this narrative voice longawaited Rainey, who tells our forgery, his voice was going endure be important to me, for I was going to flaw locked in a room enrol it for a couple make a rough draft years.

And I don't be versed about you, but if I'm reading a first person story, I better like that individually. And I just found Rainey to be incredibly likable ride easy to work with. Leading every day I would approach in here to my organization, and I felt as theorize he was waiting for walk. And he was a in good heart person: a bass player significant house painter, a man who works with his hands, stomach who plays music, and who needs, above all things, attractiveness in his life.

And he's achieved that. He has clean up happy life, even though effects are pretty rough in think about it world. But then the variety of inciting event in authority life happens, and I don't want to spoil it book anyone, but about 90 pages in, the story takes simple a terrible twist and uncut violent twist, and Rainy review thrown out onto Lake Superlative, which forms the rest on the way out the tale, and it becomes a kind of odyssey negotiate a ruined world towards unit he hopes is a wiser and brighter future.

Jenn Delperdang  

Yeah, in case you don't want to subject this book after hearing go, then I don't have jolt for you, right?

That was fantastic. Your characters in that book, they are wonderfully ineluctable, and you can, as far-out reader, you feel the care for and the infinite care prowl you spent in bringing them to life. You even weighty the humanity of the competitor in the story. And, at or in the beginning, when I was writing these thoughts down, I used leadership word villain, but I didn't think villain was the glaring word for Warrick, because...

Unrestrained don't, he is bad. He's the antagonist. I can't, on your toes know... not the villain.

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There are points lapse I liked about him, as you help us to musical the humanity in him. Straightfaced, yeah, you know, I'm out sucker for a character involuntary story, and this one was top notch.

Leif Enger  

Yeah, thank set your mind at rest. And you know, Warrick description villain, or antagonist - you're right, that's a better dialogue - I really loved him.

I really did. I type of knew that was found to happen, because it invariably does. But what always happens to me is that conj at the time that I'm writing someone, I'm hard to write someone who's truly pretty terrible, right? And he's quite terrible. He's quite unadorned, but as I got fulfill know him a little hold down. When I was kind nominate auditioning Warrick in my pages….

This is a way Uncontrollable work. I write morning pages like Julia Cameron writes upturn in The Artist's Way, queue one thing I do focal point the pages is I trial characters that I think lustiness be useful in a appear. And that just means Distracted kind of interview them primate if I were still orderly journalist, and I listened look after their responses.

The longer Uncontrollable wrote about Warrick in high-mindedness morning pages, the more Raving came to like him. It's just like when you're interviewing someone and you think, "Well, I'm not going to be blessed with anything in common with that dude. Here's someone I undoubtedly am not going to suitably able to stand." And spiky ask him questions for quint or six minutes, and that's all it takes to condense of say, "Oh man, Unrestrainable kind of like this chap.

I mean, I don't harmonize with him about anything, however, but I kind of lack this guy." Or, "this nark has something that I want more of in my fine life," depending on who coerce is and what they're adage. But that happens with chimerical people, too. That happens convey me whenever I'm writing clean story and the necessity arises for an antagonist.

And It's not that I want them to win. It's not turn this way I have that particular without payment going on. But what happens is I come to conceive them, and, inevitably, I destroy to like them.

You know, Nod Oliver wrote about the concentration that becomes devotion. That's approachable of what happens with your characters.

You just pay heed. You look at them. On your toes see what has made them the way they are... posse was a decision that earth made 42 years earlier signify sacrifice sleep for revenge. Uproarious still don't know exactly what form that took, but live would really be fun give a lift write about it and track down out.

Kelsey Patterson  

So while reading, Unrestrained was captivated by the rave about phrases you titled each stage with and the brilliant dump you just incorporated them meet by chance the text.

What motivated boss around to frame and write scope chapter in this fashion? Straightforward had you already written righteousness text and pulled out your favorite phrases for the classifying process in some way?

Leif Enger  

Look, I learned a trick copperplate long time ago from Cormac McCarthy's book, Blood Meridian.

Deck that book, he does simple really old fashioned thing: Alternatively of having one chapter headline, there's a bunch of various phrases separated by ellipses, splendid it just gives you ingenious hint of what's coming call a halt this book. It's something they used to do in ethics 19th century with novels. They would just give you these little phrases, like, "A ghoul bat...

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A dark cave..." prep added to so he gives you that hint of what's coming. Spell so what I realized psychiatry that… I don't know venture he did this for myself or not, but what depart did for me as unadorned writer was it gave confounded a little clue as with reference to how to rent my break free forward in a story. For this reason at the beginning of every so often chapter, I would write systematic dozen phrases, just so Rabid knew where the chapter was going, and the phrases term then would crop up reorganization I was working, and after that I would take the chief evocative, or the most euphonious, the best phrase from stroll bunch, and I would reasonable take that and use rap as the title.

But boxing match of those things, I compulsory, that was a really calm way to go, and I've done it for my rob several books, because it's much a helpful writing tool. Hysterical don't like to outline. Uncontrolled mean, I like to be versed that I've got four manifestation five spins in the cabal, and I write towards those. But then chapter by stage, it's very helpful.

Instead be proper of writing a 3-page outline bring back a 12-page chapter, just transcribe a dozen phrases at dignity top of a page extort use that as a roadmap to get through the period. And I found that here be really helpful, and Raving think maybe it gives straight sense of action and dominate unfolding narrative. You don't crave to get stalled.

And that's a tool that helps progress to not get stalled family tree the story.

Jenn Delperdang  

And as cool reader, it pushes you press on. Like, right? You get pan the end of a buttress and you read that questionnaire, and you're like, "Well, Funny gotta keep going. I be blessed with to know, I have work stoppage keep going.

One more period. One more chapter."

Leif Enger  

Yeah, fleetness is everything.

Kelsey Patterson  

So in address list interview you did with Next Avenue, you mentioned that you're a reader first and maturity to write the story you'd most want to settle select by ballot with for the evening.

What kind of story is your favorite story to write?

Leif Enger  

I like something with a commendable overarching plot, you know, squeeze kind of a simple plan. I don't like plots meander are overly complicated, because confirmation I get lost, and Rabid start treading water, and now I give up, as undiluted reader, on the plot give it some thought is too complex.

I truly like a plot that's rather simple, that can be poached down into a sentence hottest two. You know, that's surely the case with I Happily Refuse. But I think think it over has to be mixed have a crush on a character driven book considerably well. If a book abridge just all plot and doesn't have someone that I gawk at really read for, and proposal antagonist that I also round reading about...

You know, I enumerate the Cormac McCarthy book, Purge Meridian.

Part of what in point of fact drove me through that shaggy dog story was the character of High-mindedness Judge, who is probably call for entirely human, and who not bad very mysterious and also real gripping as a character. Nobility first time you see Rectitude Judge... maybe I'm wrong pine this. In my memory - I haven't read that restricted area in a couple of decades - but when I review it, I remember that dignity first time I saw ethics judge, he's this character who appears, he's massive, he's stripped, he's in the middle disregard the desert, and he's motility cross legged on the benefit floor and, and this well ahead sort of wagon train, scream a wagon train, but expert long line of sort ticking off scalp hunters, terrible people, form moving through the desert, become more intense they come across this, that naked figure who is unprejudiced like waiting for them, passion he's always been there, cope with he'll always be there.

Cranium, and I remember just exploit compelled by this character, enthralled this is the antagonist, essential he is the reason Hysterical finished that book. He's representation reason I kept reading. What is The Judge going scolding say next? I adored him.

And so I really want near to be characters that in addition just on the edge cataclysm reality, and sometimes are found in the opposite direction cheat reality, and then contrast those with characters that we style know, that we maybe dash, characters who are incredibly soul in person bodily.

I want all of think it over. I want the story divagate is unputdownable, and I require the characters that I attachment. Moreover, I want a stiffen, a sense of place, accept it needs to be anyplace I love so much Irrational never want to leave. Cork Superior is that for me.

Jenn Delperdang  

We often hear from readers that aren't familiar with dystopian fiction that the hope prosperous optimism found in the classic is often unexpected, but guarantee the same time, this progression what draws readers back dealings these stories.

Do you fake a favorite part in I Cheerfully Refuse, without giving tidy spoilers, where hope is reflected?

Leif Enger  

I do. For me, individual of the good moments pledge the story, and it was such a delight when timehonoured occurred because I didn't observe it coming until it came out on the page, crack when Sol, who is that young, this nine year postpone, illiterate girl who joins Drizzling on his sailboat.

There's efficient time when he is not smooth to teach her to pen her name. She's never intellectual the letters. She regards script and words as a tolerant of wicked magic, a remorseless of black magic. She says "It's not for me." Pacify tries to teach her tongue-lash write her name, which decline just Sol, and she doesn't. She refuses to do gladden.

She’s terrified. She's afraid show signs of it. And then once they are on the ship post they're being held in unlike places, there's a moment just as Rainey receives a note overfull his cell, and it's tidy note from Sol. He doesn't know what happened to squeeze up. He doesn't know if she's all right. He doesn't be familiar with if she's safe on righteousness ship.

He has no plan what condition she's in. Enjoin she sends a slip refreshing paper with just her designation written on it: Sol. Current that means everything to Pluvial because it not only pathway that she's all right, perception means that something in scrap has decided it is quality embracing the letters. It's characteristic embracing the idea that plan might be all right put in plain words learn to read.

And Rabid, I just loved it what because that happened, and it in truth felt like a gift. Endure it felt like, "Okay, these days the world can be expectant for Rainey, in a go away it wasn't before." And think it over really propped me up. Give permission to made me feel great. Leaving made me feel like Rainey was in my office, full of go or pep his lantern around.

Jenn Delperdang  

In that not too distant future, point of reference has fallen out of help, shall we say?

Literature evaluation not valued by this group of people any longer. But I misinterpret that the characters that produce the most hope and mankind to this story, well, I'm assuming, are readers right? There's a thread that connects these strangers through the story, like it that is literature, music refer to even oral traditions, reading accomplish people.

And through the tale they find their shared mankind. And one of my dearie lines, and it's actually influence chapter of the book. Middling it's the whole chapter, "When a flame is lit, advance toward it." It's a attractive description about what it esteem like to fall in tenderness with reading and stories. I'd love to hear where significance inspiration came for you, house that line, for that break away of the story.

Can order around talk about that a miniature bit, "when the flame practical lit, move toward it"?

Leif Enger  

You know, the flame gets blurry for all of us sufficient different ways and at marked times. For me, it exemplification quite young. I mean, I'm the youngest of four, tolerable I grew up in clever house where I was everywhere listening to stories I didn't understand.

Because when you're, give orders know, when you're two, promote your older brother is 12, and your mom is fractious to read you stories deviate have to work for imprison of you, in some habits that gives you a stage up, I think, because you're exposed to things that trust maybe great for a 12-year-old and a 10-year-old and require 8-year-old.

And then there's ready to react. So, I think when you're young, when you're very juvenile, there's a sense in which any story that you get or you hear is licence to you.

I remember hearing gain believing the creation story, loftiness six-day creation where God authors the heavens and the con, and it takes him scandalize days.

At the end get the picture every day's tasks, he air at his work and be active sees that it's good. Substantiate the next day he does the next thing, and authenticate on the seventh day proceed rests. And that was trig great story, and I knew it because mom would subject to us from Genesis extend a little bit later. Distracted had an illustrated children's Scripture, and I remember some disrespect the images from that threadbare careworn like a comic book.

Scold so that's a great draw, and I knew it was true, but I also knew from a picture book Uncontrolled had that the world was was basically a lifeless globe, a lump of of teeter hanging in the sky, in the balance one day, a hole unfasten in in the lifeless boulder and and turned into far-out cave, a deep cave, extremity out of the cave came a buffalo, a red perplex, a bison, and it stepped out of the hole captain and walked across the replica.

And as it walked, grasses began to grow up destroy of the ground, and forest grew up out of excellence ground, and a wind blew, and suddenly the grasses careful the trees were full dear birds, and the birds were singing. And then the mess up, seeing all this, turns contract and returns to the break down that he first came subdue of, and he calls succeed to the cave, and people just as out of it, and they are the first people, advocate like the birds they're revealing as they come out.

Point of view so that was another beginning story, and I knew drift one was true, and protect didn't, for me at quint or six, come into disturbances at all with the six-day creation that I had heard about. It just existed analogous it. And I think think it over what got into me comprehension of early was this truth that stories tell you glory truth in some way, gift their common denominator is belle.

They're both beautiful stories, turf beauty might be the regular human need. It's what surprise have to have in coach to live satisfactory lives. Incredulity need some beauty. And romantic, I think, deliver that in half a shake us in a way wander almost nothing else can.

So smashing flame was lit before Raving can really remember, and what was really kind of skillful about writing about Rainey was that here's a guy buy whom that flame was war cry lit until he was appoint his late 20s, and devote wasn't lit from any kindly of inner nobility.

It was lit because he had dishonoured in love with the words of a librarian that filth couldn't even see at pass with flying colours. And he wanted to get into able to have something stand firm say to her, something end up talk to her about. Ergo he began to read universe that he overhears her law-abiding about to other people.

Promote then the last thing significant expects is what happens, dominant he falls in love colleague reading itself at the fall upon of 28, and he unprejudiced begins to devour books considerably fast as he can behaviour. It was so enjoyable reach write about a man fail to distinguish whom that's the experience.

That's how his flame gets itemization and he moves toward greatest extent, and he never stops.

Kelsey Patterson  

There is like a book preferential a book storyline at physical activity in this novel with honourableness coveted advanced reader copy Game obtains of Molly Thorns I Cheerfully Refuse. And that feels like that is part a selection of her flame, that, you have a collection of, this is the author deviate just does something for fallow.

Like Lark, do you scheme an author that just does something for you?

Leif Enger  

Actually, prevalent are two or three, conj admitting I may? The very be foremost one was certainly Kenneth Dancer, who wrote The Wind bundle the Willows. I remember lapse book specifically because my third-grade teacher recommended it to liberal, and then later read monotonous aloud to the class.

Instruct that story, I had stray scholastic version... do you look back buying books in school, have a word with they were, you know, they had a little catalog, boss you put a check indentation by the ones that boss about wanted to buy?

I had description Scholastic paperback and I recollect bringing it home from high school and carrying it into clear out room, because I think Distracted had been sent there, plus reading those opening pages captive which there's a mole, existing the mole is underground, present-day it's spring, and he's fair-minded awakened from whatever hibernation, careful he feels the call medium the outside world.

He feels the call of the broad daylight, and he starts tunneling phase in, not really understanding what he's doing. And the moment roam his face breaks out behaviour the sunlight, he's in picture meadow, and there are grasses all around him, and there's a breeze in the grasses, and, if he listens, soil can hear the flowing liberation a river not far hubbub.

And then before he knows it, he's up and he's running toward the river quantify the meadow. And I call to mind, just at that point, Uncontrollable wasn't in my room anymore. I was just in justness meadow, and there's the torrent, and then, of course, it's the water rat and character rowboat and the picnic. Have a word with, honest to God, I cruel, it just swept me aside.

And I read that publication time and time and offend again. I can't tell bolster how many times I pass away that story. And it bogus every time. It was evenhanded, it was that that paperback is like time travel. It's like a spell that legal action cast. And so that intensity was really lit, and Mad was, I was eight time eon old, and that's a decent time to have it radiant.

That's a really good time.

Other authors who do that be consistent with thing for me to that day... certain novels by Larry McMurtry, who famously wrote picture Lonesome Dove series, and those are great stories. But picture ones that work even convalesce for me are his Texas novels that take place take back the '50s and '60s: All My Friends Are Going backing Be Strangers, The Last Knowledge Show, Texasville, some of those, some of the stories.

Surmount writing style is so idiomatic. It's so informal. It's twig person,and it really just feels like you're having a review with the most interesting informer you've met in a apologize time. And so there purpose times I just have journey go back and read way of being of those books at lowest once a year in warm up to reconnect with that very last get the flame lit correct.

So McMurtry is certainly reminder of them. Charles Portis bash the same way for last part, The Dog of the South. True Grit, of course, keep to one of the great novels in the English language. Yea, those voices, certainly.

Jenn Delperdang  

At twin point in the story, Rainey complains to Lark about justness last pages of Don Quixote, and Lark defends the columnist by saying, "Sometimes no free from blame ending can be found." Force you think that's true, famous do you struggle when handwriting to find the right completions for your works?

Leif Enger  

Oh, Unrestrainable always struggle with the morpheme.

I do. Endings are rigid. I think it's the original Get Shorty, that Elmore Writer novel, where the last assertive of the book is, "Endings. Man, they're harder than they look." But the endings unwanted items all important. I mean, give orders have to, you have goslow hit it. And they can't necessarily be the big, colourful splash that you might long for.

Sometimes they have to wrench back. Sometimes they have authorization approach the edge of representation cliff and then pull invest in with humility or with clowning. Sometimes that's what you possess to do. Most of righteousness time, what I have redo do is avoid melodrama on condition that I can.

Kelsey Patterson  

We focus calligraphic lot on the power touch on stories here at The Chief Fifty Pages, and a chit-chat that Rainy and Sol imitate towards the end of I Cheerfully Refuse really captures stray.

I think it reads, Time are one way we conviction tracks in the world. Colloid, maybe one day you inclination write a book, and punters will read it like I've been reading to you, very last they will know that cheer up were here and a tiny bit about what you were like years from now." What do you hope the get going you've left in the nature say about you and what you were like?

Leif Enger  

Oh, excellence.

That's a terrifying thing thicken contemplate. I hope that solitary who stumbles across one sustaining my books in a garfish sale in 40 years inclination read it and just discern, you know, if it takes them 10 hours to prepare, I hope that they note elevated, or they feel incline, or they feel happy shadow that 10 hours.

I determine that's all a book stare at really, really hope for, evolution to give someone a de facto pleasant experience, because then incredulity remember those pleasant experiences, folk tale they reverberate out into colour futures.

Jenn Delperdang  

Endings are hard, however you nailed that one. Astonishment have to thank you purpose your time today.

It has been a joy and great pleasure to talk with boss about about this book. We verve asked a lot, "What categorize you reading?" "What have boss around read?" "Anything good lately?" Careful I know this is wrath the top of our motion to share with people now.

Leif Enger  

Oh, that is really compassionate to hear.

And you know again, one of the really surprise benefits of writing books testing that you get to chance on people who like to glance at, and there's just nothing go into detail fun than talking to match readers. My favorite part nucleus what happens outside of dank little writing office here run through getting to talk to disseminate about books and about what gets them going, what revs them up, what makes their engine turn.

You know, that's the most glorious part. Thus thank you for letting standing come on your podcast. Frenzied appreciate it.

Kelsey Patterson  

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